The 70 weeks and 2,300 days

October 21, 2012

The chart below shows the relation between the 70 weeks, and the 2,300 days, and “this generation,” which is the generation Jesus represents. It runs off the chart at the right, because it continues forever.

The 70 weeks and 2,300 daysNote that there are no gaps in the 70 weeks. Introducing gaps makes no sense in a time prophecy. Paul told Timothy, “hold fast the form of sound words,” and I suggest that to say that there are no gaps in the 70 weeks is a sound, reasonable, and true statement one can rely upon. One reason there are no gaps, is that the three sections of the 70 weeks correspond to the last three of the four periods of “seven times” in Lev. 26. The first was the exile in Babylon, which Daniel alludes to in Dan. 9:11. And this implies there are no gaps, as any gap requires a lapse in the curse, which in turn requires that Israel was temporarily reconciled to God, and that has not happened. Any reconciliation is permanent.

No one says there are gaps in the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14. These are interpreted as years in the chart, and this long time period is compared with the 70 weeks.

There are different units in each of the three sections of the 70 weeks. In the first section, which is 7 weeks, the units are leap years in the chart. Daniel’s numbers in Dan. 12:11-12, the 1,290 days, and 1,335 days, imply that leap years of 13 months and regular years of 12 months are employed to derive these symbolic numbers, which represent the time, times and a half, or a portion of it, as I discussed in a previous post. Units of leap years also help us interpret the 70 weeks, so that no gap is required between the 70 years of exile in Babylon, and the start of the 70 weeks, at the decree of Cyrus, 538 BC. With leap years as units for the first section, and normal sabbatical cycles as units for the second section, these two sections work out nicely to the start of the ministry of Jesus. The final week, in which Jesus confirms his covenant with many, includes his earthly ministry, and the whole age of the church. Units for the last half week are spiritual, and figurative, because they apply to the heavenly Jerusalem. Earthly units do not apply to spiritual things.

There is no change in the nature of units of the 2,300 days, because this period does not apply to spiritual things. Instead, it refers to the duration of the geocentric cosmology of the Greeks, which passed away about 1750 AD, when men realized the earth revolves on its axis, not the heavens. This was the scientific revolution.

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  1. Tracy
    October 28, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Doug,

    The original scripture of Daniel 8:14 is “…2,300 EVENING-MORNINGS…”. It was incorrectly translated into “days” in the King James Version, therefore, it is not one of the “day-for-a-year” prophecies. It represents 1,150 evenings and 1,150 mornings, that added together equals 2,300. If you have 1,150 evenings and 1,150 mornings, then you have 1,150 complete days, which is a little over 3 years. From the time that Antiochus Epiphanes armies entered and occupied Jerusalem in 168 BC, until they left and the temple services were restored, was EXACTLY 1,150 days, fulfilling the prophecy given to Daniel over 300 years before, TO THE DAY. The reason God gave it to Daniel as “evening-mornings” is so that it would NOT be misunderstood as one of the “day-for-a-year” prophecies. If he gave it to Daniel as “1,150 days”, then it would be misunderstood as 1,150 YEARS. So, he gave it to him as “2,300 evenings and mornings”, which equal a little over 3 literal years.
    The 70 weeks did not begin at the decree of Cyrus in 538 BC, that was only a decree to rebuild the TEMPLE, not rebuild the city of Jerusalem. The beginning of the 70 weeks was in 457 BC, when Artexerxes issued the proclamation to rebuild JERUSALAM, the entire city, and re-establish it’s own government. After the 69 weeks of years (483 years) Jesus was baptized, and in the middle of the final 7 years (last week), 3.5 years after baptism, he was crucified in the “midst (middle) of the week” (Daniel 9:27), and 3.5 years after the crucifixion was the stoning of Stephen, the Jew’s final rejection of Christ, which ended the 70 weeks, and the message then went to the Gentiles through a converted Paul. Remember, it says “70 weeks are determined for your people….”. That means they have 70 weeks (490 years) to accept the Messiah, which they failed to do for the final time God allowed, at the stoning of Stephen. It is interesting to note that Jesus was crucified in the middle of a 49 year period, in the middle of the final 7 years, and in the middle of the actual week, on a Wednesday, and the resurrection occurred just before sunset on Saturday, exactly 72 hours after being put in the tomb, NOT on Sunday as is commonly incorrectly taught. The Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection is a false teaching of the Catholic church, which has filtered down into the Protestant and “non-denominational” churches. There is nowhere in the Bible that says the resurrection occurred on Sunday, only that that’s when they found the tomb empty. The 4th Commandment to rest on the 7th day (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) STANDS TO THIS DAY. They should not be called the Ten “Commandments”, they should be called the Ten “Laws of Life”.
    The 70 weeks and the 2,300 evenings and mornings have nothing to do with each other, as is incorrectly taught by the Seventh Day Adventists (they think the start of both was in 457 BC), however, they are right about the 7th day Sabbath. So, the 2,300 “evenings and mornings” were fulfilled in 165 BC, and the “70 weeks period” was fulfilled 3.5 years after the crucifixion and resurrection. By the way, when they found the tomb empty Sunday morning, he had already been gone by about 9 or 10 hours. The problem is when the churches ASSUME that the resurrection occurred RIGHT BEFORE they found the tomb empty. Look at Mark 16:9. The comma is in the wrong place. Take the comma from after the word “week”, and put it after the word “risen” (or “rose” in some versions), and it will then read correctly. The reason Jesus said in Matthew 12:39 and 40 that he would be in the tomb for three days and three nights is to give people NO REASON to observe Sunday as a special day. There is no way to get three NIGHTS out of a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection. The incorrect ASSUMPTION is that the next day after the crucifixion was the WEEKLY Sabbath, but it was a YEARLY Sabbath, the first day of the “Feast of Unleaven Bread”, which occurred on Thursday of that week. John 19:31 even says the next day was a “high Sabbath”, which is a YEARLY Sabbath. The original scripture of Matthew 28:1 is “…SabbathS…”, PLURAL, but it was wrongly translated into singular “…Sabbath…”, to go along with the Catholic teaching of a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection. So, there were two “SabbathS” between the crucifixion and resurrection, a YEARLY Sabbath, and the WEEKLY Sabbath. He was in the tomb, just as he said, Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night (3 nights), all day Thursday, all day Friday, and all day Saturday (3 days), and the resurrection occurred just before sunset on Saturday, EXACTLY 72 hours after being put into the tomb. So, if a person calls Sunday “the Lord’s day”, their Lord is not God, but someone else, and we know who that is. Observing the 7th day Sabbath is ALIGNING yourself with the Creator of the Universe as your God, as he created in six days and rested on the seventh.

  2. October 29, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Tracy :

    The original scripture of Daniel 8:14 is “…2,300 EVENING-MORNINGS…”. It was incorrectly translated into “days” in the King James Version, therefore, it is not one of the “day-for-a-year” prophecies. It represents 1,150 evenings and 1,150 mornings, that added together equals 2,300. If you have 1,150 evenings and 1,150 mornings, then you have 1,150 complete days, which is a little over 3 years. From the time that Antiochus Epiphanes armies entered and occupied Jerusalem in 168 BC, until they left and the temple services were restored, was EXACTLY 1,150 days, fulfilling the prophecy given to Daniel over 300 years before, TO THE DAY.

    There is no historical evidence that supports this claim. The main sources of information that are available to us on the period are the accounts of 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the indications there are that the desolation of the temple lasted for three years.

    The notion that there was a period of 1,150 days between certain events, that fulfilled Daniel’s prophecy was a later invention with little merit. Daniel’s numbers generally are based on months of 30 days. They are not natural months. A period of 1,150 days does not fit a whole number of months, either natural months or 30 day months. All these facts discredit the theory that the 2,300 days or “evening mornings” are half that number of days.

    Besides, the theory is too simplistic. It is childish, inane, and unworthy of a prophet of God to speak of a period of 1,150 days as 2,300 “evening mornings.” Rather, I think the reference to “evening mornings” is appropriate in the prophecy because it is about the account of creation in Genesis 1, which was corrupted as a consequence of the policies of Antiochus IV. The scholars who promoted the idea that 2,300 evening mornings represent 1,150 days were ignorant of the cosmological significance of Daniel’s prophecy. They failed to understand it. In Genesis1 an “evening and morning” is defined as a “day” so to say 2,300 “evening mornings” is only half that number of days violates what is plainly stated in Genesis 1.

    Doug

    • Tracy
      October 29, 2012 at 6:13 pm

      Doug,

      There IS historical evidence to support this claim, do a search for “Antiochus Epiphanes” on the internet, and you will find that from the time his armies entered and occupied Jerusalem until they left was from 168 BC to 165 BC, which can very well be a little over 3 years. He also was the ruler of the Selucid Dynasty at the time, one of the four divisions of the fallen Greek empire (little horn that comes out of one of the four), and he was not killed, but died “without human means” in keeping with the description of Daniel 8:25. He also considered himself to be of Godly status, and persecuted the Jews. Daniel 8:14 states the time during which BOTH the temple and the “host” (Jerusalem) are “trampled under foot”. The three years most believe the sanctuary was desecrated is probably a term meaning “approximately 3 years”. If I say I lived in a home for three years, it is most likely not EXACTLY three years, but might be three years and two months, for example. Saying that the interpretation of the 2,300 “evenings and mornings” as 1,150 actual days was a “later invention” is not correct, because I didn’t get it from any source, it dawned on me while sitting on the couch one day after learning that the original scripture was “evenings and mornings”.
      The “2,300 evenings and mornings” have nothing to do with any “months”. There is no connection whatsoever. The “evenings and mornings” in Daniel 8:14 have nothing to do with the creation account in Genesis. In addition, if God would have wanted anyone to interpret the 2,300 as a day-for-a-year prophecy, he would have given it to Daniel as “days”, but he did not. As far as I know there have never been any scholars who interpreted the 2,300 as 1,150 actual days, I figured it out on my own, under inspiration from God, as it just dawned on me one day, then I went to the Internet and confirmed it by learning that Antiochus armies were there for 1,150 days. Because of the AMAZING correlations in my life, where there is NO WAY they could be meaningless coincidences, all pointing to the SAME THING (including things that would happen in the future that ended up happening) that have to do with the Bible, showing me that I am right in doing what I do (for example, refusing to become Catholic to marry a lady) and because I have reason to believe I am a decendant of one of the 12 tribes of Israel, apparently I am one of the 144,000 who receive the “seal of God” in the forehead in Revelation, meaning the true information from God. Your comment that it is “childish, inane, and unworthy of a prophet” does not make sense, as Daniel was just writing what God showed him, without having an understanding of how it would be fulfilled. The only reason God gives prophecies, is so that when it is fulfilled you will know the sources was God, and to teach us to trust him that if he says something will happen, it may LOOK impossible to come true, but then something unexpected happens and it comes true. A couple of years ago I was out in the back yard, looking up at the stars, and there was not a cloud in the sky. I was looking at a particularly bright star, and thought, “God makes prophecies about the future that LOOK impossible to come true, but then something unexpected happens and they come true”. About two seconds later that exact star faded out and disappeared. I looked for it for several nights later, but it was not there. I later looked at a star chart and it was not shown on the star chart.

  3. Tracy
    November 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Doug,
    I have discovered an excellent website that gives a good explanation of Daniel 8. It is http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/series/DAN/D013/D0131/.html There are over 7 pages of information. I was not aware of any of this before I came to the conclusion that the 2,300 evenings and mornings represented 1,150 actual days.

    Tracy

  4. September 8, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Doug,
    I really like this idea of counting the 3 groups of weeks on different scales. 539 BCE + 7 metonic cycles (133 years) takes you to 406 BCE (a Jubilee) 406 BCE + 62 * 7 years = 434 years which takes us to January of 29 CE, also a Jubilee (imo).

    I have a suggestion for the last week mentioned in Daniel 9. It says that the anointed will be cut off in the midst of the week and that it would bring an end to sacrifice and oblation. My suggestion is that this represents the week of ages that run from Adam’s expulsion from the garden until the end of the Sabbath age in which Jesus is to rule. This week is normally thought to be 7000 years long. This brings the death of Christ and the destruction of the temple to the end of the 4th age… they are in the midst of the one week of ages. They are at the end of the “Wednesday” of the week of ages. This matches perfectly the pattern of the passion week.

    Greg

  5. September 8, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Greg :

    Doug,
    I really like this idea of counting the 3 groups of weeks on different scales. 539 BCE + 7 metonic cycles (133 years) takes you to 406 BCE (a Jubilee) 406 BCE + 62 * 7 years = 434 years which takes us to January of 29 CE, also a Jubilee (imo).

    There are 434 years from 406 B.C.E. to 28 A.D. 406 of them are B.C.E.; 28 are A.D. years. There is no year zero. The start and end years are both even numbers.

    The ministry of Jesus was three and a half years. I think the first half of the 70th week was Jesus’ earthly ministry. Perhaps the ministry of John the Baptist could be included in the first three and a half years. The last half of the week is not three and a half natural years but the symbolic ‘time, times and a half,’ mentioned in Dan. 7:25, & 12:7, and Rev. 12:14, which represents the whole age of the church. Jesus confirms the covenant with us for the whole week which includes both his earthly ministry and the present age of the church.

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